Vintage Road Racing Association

Here is a working copy of the schedule. If all goes well as you folks register in the next two weeks it will stick! Laps are down to 5 on Saturday and 7 on Sunday, P4VC is 7.

Proposed Schedule, 2016 HB Cycle Vintage Festival

07:00- Endurance Registration Opens
08:00- Riders Meeting, Mandatory all Practice Entrants
08:15- Endurance Riders Meeting, Mandatory all teams
08:30- 1st Practice Begins: (Medium Odd, Medium Even, Slow, Fast, SC), 12 min ea
09:30- Bike Pickup if needed
09:45- 2nd Practice Begins: (Medium Odd, Medium Even, Slow, Fast, SC), 12 min ea
10:45- Bike Pickup if needed
11:00- 3rd Practice Begins: (Medium Odd, Medium Even, Slow, Fast, SC), 12 min ea
12:00- Bike Pickup if needed/Lunch/Endurance Setup
01:00- 4th Practice Begins: (Medium Odd, Medium Even, Slow, Fast, SC), 12 min ea
02:00- Bike Pickup if needed, water delivery
02:30- Endurance Race begins
04:30- Endurance Race ends

Saturday, 5- Lap Heat Races

0700- Registration Opens
08:00- Riders meeting begins, registration closed
08:30- 1st Practice Begins: (Medium Odd, Medium Even, Slow, Fast, SC) 12 minute sessions
09:30- Bike Pickup
09:45- 2nd Practice Begins: (Medium Odd, Medium Even, Slow, Fast, SC) 12 minute sessions
10:45- Bike Pickup
11:00- Race 1, Magill Masters Lightweight (7-Laps)
11:25- Race 2: P4-F3
11:45- Race 3: P2-Heavy, Mwt Production
12:05- Race 4: P4-F2
12:25- Lunch
01:30- Race 5: P3-Lwt
01:50- Race 6: Sidecars, all periods
02:20- Race 7: P1-Open, P1-350, P1-200, Pre-1965 350
02:55- Race 8: P3-Middleweight
03:15- Race 9: P1-500, P1250
03:35- Race 10: P4-F1
03:55- Bike Pickup
04:10- Race 11: P2-Lht, Pre 65-500, Pre-1950
04:30- Race 12: GP & Vintage GP
04:50- Race 13: P3-Heavy
05:10- Race 14: P4 Vintage Challenge, (7 laps)
05:30- Registration Re-Opens

Sunday, 7-Lap Final Races

0700- Registration Opens
08:00- Riders meeting begins, registration closed
08:30- 1st Practice Begins: (Medium Odd, Medium Even, Slow, Fast, SC) 12 minute sessions
09:30- Bike Pick Up
09:45- Race 15, Magill Masters Heavyweight
10:10- Race 16: P4-F3
10:35- Race 17: P2-Heavy (Ecurie Classic Cup), Mwt Production, Warwick Cup
11:00- Race 18: P4-F2
11:30- Lunch
12:30- Race 19: P3-Lwt
12:55- Race 20: Sidecars, all periods
01:30- Race 21: P1-Open (VRRA 750 GP Award), P1-350 (VRRA P1-350 Cup),
P1-200 (Lightfoot Trophy), Pre-65 350 (Giannini/Leibmann Trophy)
01:55- Bike Pickup
02:20- Race 22: P3-Mwt (Walker Diggon Construction Trophy)
02:45- Race 23: P1-500, P1250 (Hodge Cup)
03:10- Race 24: P4-F1
03:25- Bike Pickup
03:50- Race 25: P2-Lht, Pre-1965 (Giannini/Leibmann Trophy), Pre 65-500 (Walridge Cup), Pre-1950
04:15- Race 26: GP & Vintage GP
04:40- Race 27: P3-Heavy (Hodgson Cup)
05:05- Race 28: Vintage Open
06:00- Awards Ceremony

Hi Ashton

thanks for the early posting. Now we can all start complaining.

For the GB round, these 2 classes- P1-200, Pre-1965 350- were run with P2 light, thereby enabling me to at least attempt to run my Pre-65 350 class bike (like I knew that the relatively unused Motion Pro throttle tube would snap on the first lap!).

AT CTMP you have them running with P1-350 and p1-open. Is it possible to retain class groupings through out the season?

I am sure you moved it because you need somewhere for all the Pre-1950 bikes (the Rudge's etc) to run, but they could flip with the classes I am mentioning, and they are no more of a speed differential to the p1-Open bikes than they are to the P2 light.

If this is not possible, I'll shut the #@#$ up gladly and promise to never bitch or moan about it and just enter it in Pre-65 500.

Thanks, Chris M

Well, it's easy. Register for your races and I build the schedule around pre-entrants. The above does accommodate them, but if they don't register and you do guess what? 08/04 comes and the schedule is set. If you both register and there's a bunch of conflicts I'll just schedule you all on Thursday and we can have Fizzer-Fest the rest of the weekend...

Register for the classes you want to run. I'll take care of as much as I can.

Looks like I don't need to rush and finish my P1-200 bike now either , I can't race 2 bikes in the same race now , why do you keep changing the classes every round ?

Allan

Did you even try to read the post just previous to yours before making that wisdom-filled remark Alan?

I'll speak slower this time: Register for the races you want to race and I build the schedule around the Pre-Registered entrants.

To answer your question, I keep changing the schedule because I'm working to make a better racing experience for everyone. Your bitching about a schedule that might not work for a bike you haven't built yet....?

Good luck Alan, hope you get it finished in time..

Did you even try to read the post just previous to yours before making that wisdom-filled remark Alan?
I'll speak slower this time:

does it make you feel good Aston to publicly make fun of someone

Allan

Yes. You should fire me.

Thanks Ashton!

I'll get registered.

Chris

sorry Ashton , it's just frustrating that all last year P1-200 ran with P2L and the first 2 races of the year ran in P2L and I've been building the little Yamaha to race in P1-200 all year for Mosport and then I saw the conflict .

oh well , i'm sure it'll all work out

Allan

p.s I wouldn't fire you , you're doing a great job , just take it easy with the insults please ,

Hi Ashton,

In past events, racers who have back to back races have been able to leave a bike at the pit wall. They could then do a quick swap.

Would that be happening again? I know it takes extra work all around, just curious if its a possibility? I am in P4F3 and P2-Middleweight, 11:30 Race 2 and 11:45 Race 3.

I don't truly mind them being close, just wondering if the pit thing is available?

P.S. I just registered as well. Didn't know you developed schedules based off pre-registration, you work harder at this than I do at my real job.

Thanks!

When you roll up the hill to pre-grid there is a long section of concrete wall to your left. Put your second bike anywhere along that wall and you can leave your first bike there as well when you come off. The cooler at pit out is kept fully stocked with waters the entire event specifically for volunteers and back to back racers.

Remember don't panic!

Race control and pit out have a complete list by bike number of everyone who has back to back events, so they are expecting you, and we're always prepared with an extra 2-5min for those events so you can catch your breath and take in some water before heading back out.

Thanks for all your work Ashton...

I think you might get some grief on the 5 Lap heat races...though a lot of races often get sorted out in the first 2 laps...

Is this the shortest heat races we have ever had? Did the track get longer? Are we trying to jam too much into the day? Just curious... Interested in your thoughts going forward...

The problem is (insert hour long lecture from AGM) and there's really no fixing that until we accept the fact that some bikes simply take longer to go around the track than others do. The resultant output of our current equation is an unrealistic 6/8 lap expectation, and a dissapointing 5/5 lap output. I'd rather present the membership with a (hopefully) attainable lap goal up front than deal with another hour long "how do we fix CTMP?" discussion when it's not CTMP that's broken.

I do not know if it's the shortest heat races we've ever had. It's longer than 1/3 of the club got for a final last year...

The track did not get longer.

I think our current class structure is adequate. We could actually fit significantly more.

We have gotten 5 before at Mosport

5 is long enough for sidecars,thanks.We're usually sorted out after 3.