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Re: Endurance Handicaps

My only real question really remains- What is the goal of making changes? Surely there was a goal in mind to better the race or the club in some way? And now the new numbers are just “chosen” numbers that don’t reflect his data or the lap record data. I don’t get it. So to confirm. New handicaps are...
by kirbster
Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:34 pm
 
Forum: Endurance Racing
Topic: Endurance Handicaps
Replies: 20
Views: 481

Re: Endurance Handicaps

Kirby, You acknowledge that single data points should not be used to justify a position and yet once again this is your argument to justify your position. You ignore the fact that 3 of the P4F3 records for example are set by a current Pro CSBK rider who was riding a Miller prepared Hawkzilla which ...
by kirbster
Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:05 am
 
Forum: Endurance Racing
Topic: Endurance Handicaps
Replies: 20
Views: 481

Re: Endurance Handicaps

Lap records posted as of today (laptimes expressed in seconds to make math easier) And the differences to the newest bike in class expressed as a percentage. class Shannonville Pro P5F1 70.076 P4F1 71.734 2.4% P3H 72.274 3.1% P5F2 71.221 P4F2 73.478 3.2% P3M 76.869 7.9% P4F3 72.699 P3L 77.730 6.9% C...
by kirbster
Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:24 am
 
Forum: Endurance Racing
Topic: Endurance Handicaps
Replies: 20
Views: 481

Re: Endurance Handicaps

Again- what was the goal for the change? The goal of the handicap system was to grow participation. The idea that people would be more likely to participate on whatever machine they already owned and still feel like they had a shot. Not go out and buy a new machine to stay competitive. This was the ...
by kirbster
Tue Mar 26, 2024 7:43 pm
 
Forum: Endurance Racing
Topic: Endurance Handicaps
Replies: 20
Views: 481

Re: Endurance Performance Index

After looking at the data provided - still without any explanation as to what the goal of revamping endurance was...... Here is my analysis of the file provided. You are cherry picking data and using too small of sample size to really have any hope of accuracy. Thats why lap records were previously ...
by kirbster
Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:12 pm
 
Forum: Endurance Racing
Topic: Endurance Performance Index
Replies: 31
Views: 1264

Re: Endurance Performance Index

I don't think non VRRA class bikes should be taking trophies away from VRRA class bikes.... Add it as a separate class. Open- well that's a little different. It's not a native class for any bike. If they are running in the regular classes- should there not be a handicap for that too then? Another bi...
by kirbster
Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:00 pm
 
Forum: Endurance Racing
Topic: Endurance Performance Index
Replies: 31
Views: 1264

Re: Endurance Performance Index

I think post period 5 needs to be scored separately as they aren’t an official club class.
Just like modern light.
We could have put them in light and adjusted handicaps but again- not an official class so no rules can be written for them.
by kirbster
Mon Mar 25, 2024 5:01 pm
 
Forum: Endurance Racing
Topic: Endurance Performance Index
Replies: 31
Views: 1264

Re: Endurance Performance Index

I am going to repost my comment from the earlier thread I started a few months back asking about the changes. I think this is very relevant and it's important to have a goal in mind when making changes to this type of scoring system. I have no understanding of the "goal" or "reasoning...
by kirbster
Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:00 am
 
Forum: Endurance Racing
Topic: Endurance Performance Index
Replies: 31
Views: 1264

Re: Endurance Performance Index

What group of members put forth the idea for a complete revamp ? And why? Was the old system that bad it just needed to be scrapped and started over? And if P5 doesn’t have an advantage over P4 - why did we introduce them? I’m sorry but this is a giant pile of crap and it smells very bad. There is n...
by kirbster
Sat Mar 23, 2024 4:43 pm
 
Forum: Endurance Racing
Topic: Endurance Performance Index
Replies: 31
Views: 1264

Re: Endurance Performance Index

So a p3 middle is only 1 sec per lap slower than a p5 middle at mosport with the same rider? Sorry this makes zero sense. You might as well just eliminate handicaps and run what you brung. The original plan was a slight tilt in favour to older machinery to get people out on track. Your current plan ...
by kirbster
Sat Mar 23, 2024 9:42 am
 
Forum: Endurance Racing
Topic: Endurance Performance Index
Replies: 31
Views: 1264

Re: 1990 FZR4/6 championship winner

sold
by kirbster
Sun Mar 17, 2024 5:59 pm
 
Forum: Race Bikes
Topic: 1990 FZR4/6 championship winner (SOLD)
Replies: 6
Views: 3171

Re: 1981 CM200T Twinstar

SOLD!
by kirbster
Thu Mar 14, 2024 7:25 am
 
Forum: Street bikes
Topic: 1981 CM200T Twinstar
Replies: 2
Views: 1681

Re: Garage clean up - Lots of stuff

no they are a reproduction part that looks like the stock FZR units.
by kirbster
Thu Mar 07, 2024 8:45 am
 
Forum: Trading Post - Parts & Accessories
Topic: Garage clean up - Lots of stuff
Replies: 3
Views: 2291

Re: 1990 FZR4/6 championship winner

Still Available....
come
look
make an offer.

Delivery by enclosed trailer also negotiable.
by kirbster
Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:21 pm
 
Forum: Race Bikes
Topic: 1990 FZR4/6 championship winner (SOLD)
Replies: 6
Views: 3171
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