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Re: 2024 Rules and Procedures

I find it impossible to believe that the Tech committee would vote in favour of a change to radial master cylinders for our pre 1982 class. I also think it extremely unlikely it would have passed a membership vote. Hi Matt, the change does not allow Radial masters. That portion of the change (clari...
by livetoride21
Fri Apr 19, 2024 7:20 am
 
Forum: Club Announcements
Topic: 2024 Rules and Procedures
Replies: 5
Views: 902

Re: 2024 Rules and Procedures

Per AGM minutes posted on our website ; "Freeze Class Rules: Discussed and motion for it passed. As of January 2019, the rule book is frozen for the time being." It was my understanding that no class rules were to be changed unless there became a safety concern or availability concern. Als...
by livetoride21
Thu Apr 18, 2024 7:24 am
 
Forum: Club Announcements
Topic: 2024 Rules and Procedures
Replies: 5
Views: 902

Re: 2024 Rules and Procedures

I'm a little confused here, were the technical rules not frozen by a vote years ago with only the possibility of being unfrozen by a vote? How was a rule change done in period 3? I built a period 3 bike using the correct period gear, and now I see that a superior remote reservoir master cylinder is ...
by livetoride21
Thu Apr 18, 2024 7:11 am
 
Forum: Club Announcements
Topic: 2024 Rules and Procedures
Replies: 5
Views: 902

Period 1 legal Henning CB450 (500) twin

P1 LEGAL CB450 Racebike with Henning motor - For sale Bought a couple of years back and have not dedicated the time to get it going. - Engine is saddled in a custom twin down tube frame by an unknown builder and has a fiberglass tank, tail and full fairing. - Comes with two engines, one stock engine...
by livetoride21
Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:57 pm
 
Forum: Race Bikes
Topic: Period 1 legal Henning CB450 (500) twin
Replies: 0
Views: 466

Re: Endurance Handicaps

...The previous Endurance Coordinator has stated the goals as follows: 1. To allow any machine in the club to have the opportunity to race endurance. Growing the field. 2. Allow the fastest teams to be the ones that finish first. Regardless of what machine they choose to enter on. These goals have ...
by livetoride21
Sun Mar 31, 2024 6:54 pm
 
Forum: Endurance Racing
Topic: Endurance Handicaps
Replies: 24
Views: 5218

Re: Endurance Handicaps

I have been been watching this debate (if you want to call it that) for a few days now. Seems there is some friction being built up and that friction may not be healthy moving the club forward. There is always room for improvement so I am not taking either side but I may suggest that we carry over ...
by livetoride21
Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:05 pm
 
Forum: Endurance Racing
Topic: Endurance Handicaps
Replies: 24
Views: 5218

Re: Endurance Handicaps

Kirby, You acknowledge that single data points should not be used to justify a position and yet once again this is your argument to justify your position. You ignore the fact that 3 of the P4F3 records for example are set by a current Pro CSBK rider who was riding a Miller prepared Hawkzilla which ...
by livetoride21
Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:46 am
 
Forum: Endurance Racing
Topic: Endurance Handicaps
Replies: 24
Views: 5218

Re: Endurance Handicaps

Again- what was the goal for the change? The goal of the handicap system was to grow participation. The idea that people would be more likely to participate on whatever machine they already owned and still feel like they had a shot. Not go out and buy a new machine to stay competitive. This was the...
by livetoride21
Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:22 pm
 
Forum: Endurance Racing
Topic: Endurance Handicaps
Replies: 24
Views: 5218

Re: Endurance Handicaps

This is nonsensical.

And posting links to Facebook unfortunately will not help those who do not have facebook to view your data.

Please upload to dropbox or similar so those who don't have access can actually be included in the discussion.

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by livetoride21
Tue Mar 26, 2024 9:50 pm
 
Forum: Endurance Racing
Topic: Endurance Handicaps
Replies: 24
Views: 5218

Re: Endurance Performance Index

After looking at the data provided - still without any explanation as to what the goal of revamping endurance was...... Here is my analysis of the file provided. You are cherry picking data and using too small of sample size to really have any hope of accuracy. Thats why lap records were previously...
by livetoride21
Tue Mar 26, 2024 3:01 pm
 
Forum: Endurance Racing
Topic: Endurance Performance Index
Replies: 30
Views: 3202

Re: Endurance Performance Index

I don't think non VRRA class bikes should be taking trophies away from VRRA class bikes.... Add it as a separate class. Open- well that's a little different. It's not a native class for any bike. If they are running in the regular classes- should there not be a handicap for that too then? Another b...
by livetoride21
Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:51 pm
 
Forum: Endurance Racing
Topic: Endurance Performance Index
Replies: 30
Views: 3202

Re: Endurance Performance Index

I've had it. Enough of the topdown leadership and lack of communication to the membership from our current president. What else are we not being told? Was there a majority of endurance racers (let alone VRRA members in general) asking for a revamp of the endurance handicapping system? Answer: no. I...
by livetoride21
Sat Mar 23, 2024 10:28 pm
 
Forum: Endurance Racing
Topic: Endurance Performance Index
Replies: 30
Views: 3202

Re: Endurance Performance Index

The original proposal was to remove handicaps for P3, P4 and P5. I am against removing handicaps. The same team and tactics should always be faster on a later period bike. The exec meeting when we discussed the endurance proposal, among other items, was over 2 hours long. After much discussion a 1%...
by livetoride21
Sat Mar 23, 2024 4:37 pm
 
Forum: Endurance Racing
Topic: Endurance Performance Index
Replies: 30
Views: 3202

Re: Endurance Performance Index

So a p3 middle is only 1 sec per lap slower than a p5 middle at mosport with the same rider? Sorry this makes zero sense. You might as well just eliminate handicaps and run what you brung. The original plan was a slight tilt in favour to older machinery to get people out on track. Your current plan...
by livetoride21
Sat Mar 23, 2024 10:21 am
 
Forum: Endurance Racing
Topic: Endurance Performance Index
Replies: 30
Views: 3202

Re: Endurance Performance Index

Brian Stevenson wrote:Dave.

This makes no sense. Are you saying that a P3L bike is doing effectively the same time as a P4-F3 bike, the only difference is 0.01%. Can you post the data that is behind this?


I second that, this makes anyone planning to race a p3 light bike immediately rethink it.
by livetoride21
Sat Mar 23, 2024 9:03 am
 
Forum: Endurance Racing
Topic: Endurance Performance Index
Replies: 30
Views: 3202
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